Saturday, June 6, 2009
Friday, June 5, 2009
propose motion & existing constitution
Dear dhamma friends,
Without any ill intent,there are many weakness in the existing BUBS constitution .
Going forward a society with asset,the constitution need to be more specified and clearly spelt out to avoid many interpretation and complication.
The motion :
ie To appoint a task force to study & refine/review the Constitution
(NOTE :Not asking amendment on the spot)
(The constitution did not spell out the actual number of seconder required..another weakness)
The existing constitution consisit of six pages .Some of the matter not clearly define.
MIC Samy would love this type as many clause would up to the Chairman/Committee to interpret.
Please do not feel being pressure to make an answer as it all depend ones understanding of the constitution and the purpose of it.Whatever decision you made will be respected.
Thank You.
Regard
bltan
The propose motion :
Bandar Utama Buddhist Society, 2nd June 2009
52,Jalan Bu11/16,
Bandar Utama 47800 Petaling Jaya.
Dear Sir,
PROPOSE MOTION TO APPOINT INDEPENDANT TASK GROUP TO REVIEW/REFINE /AMEND THE CONSTITUTION IN LINE OF SITUATION CHANGES & FOR MEMBERS TO DELIBERATE IN AN SPECIAL CONVEN EGM BEFORE THE NEXT AGM 2010
We wish to propose a motion for the above for members to vote and adopt in the coming AGM on 14th June 2009
The rational is the existing constitution need to review/refine /amend the constitution in line of situation changes. Example:
1.
Article 2:
Registred address to be amended.
2.
Article 5i) :
anti Buddhist : propose to read as in contrary to Buddha teaching.
3.
Article 5ii) :
unsound mind-to add ..shall be certified by recognize government medical doctor
4.
Article 8:
on Warning: No of times not clearly defined.
5.
Article 9:
The General meeting is the highest organ--?
6.
Article 10 :
The term of principal office bearers to be reviewed.
7.
Article 12 ii) :
-…asset-spelling error .Should be assist.
- …deputise the President during the lather’s absence-?
Propose consent from President is required
8.
Article 12 iv) :
..All cheques sign by any of two persons..(2 PERSONS ONLY...)
9.
Article 13iii) :
to convey EGM require one third of the members….
Isnt it too many ?
10.
Article 22 ii) :
The immovable property can be sold after consent given in AGM or EGM. Then Clause 17 ii) an AGM with members attending twice the number of committee will deem to have quorum.
Isn’t it too easy for Society to sell the asset ? The manners of meeting to be conducted eg notice of motion to be forwaded also not spelt out clearly.(see Chapters V)
With due respect, please do not mis-construe the proposal mean we have no confidence in the current committee. We just have need to make matter much clearly defined to prevent much complication in the years to come, as any de-registration of the Society, the asset shall go to the third party.
FAQ:
1.Why need to as the society is running well now
We are looking forward many years down the line.As society grow,
more members invoved and more different opinion.Change is in-evitable.
So far no heated contest for post,this does not mean in future this will not occur.
So we need all the ground rules clearly defined and establish.
2.Why rock the boat?
It is better rock the boat rather than complacement and let the boat sink one day.
3.Dont worrylah ,Buddhist society nothing wil happen.
Is it ? Unless it is served by enlighten being or all members are enlighten.
How many people have not heard of any scandal /in fighting in temple,church NGO etc please
raise your hand.
4.More questions...?
Without any ill intent,there are many weakness in the existing BUBS constitution .
Going forward a society with asset,the constitution need to be more specified and clearly spelt out to avoid many interpretation and complication.
The motion :
ie To appoint a task force to study & refine/review the Constitution
(NOTE :Not asking amendment on the spot)
(The constitution did not spell out the actual number of seconder required..another weakness)
The existing constitution consisit of six pages .Some of the matter not clearly define.
MIC Samy would love this type as many clause would up to the Chairman/Committee to interpret.
Please do not feel being pressure to make an answer as it all depend ones understanding of the constitution and the purpose of it.Whatever decision you made will be respected.
Thank You.
Regard
bltan
The propose motion :
Bandar Utama Buddhist Society, 2nd June 2009
52,Jalan Bu11/16,
Bandar Utama 47800 Petaling Jaya.
Dear Sir,
PROPOSE MOTION TO APPOINT INDEPENDANT TASK GROUP TO REVIEW/REFINE /AMEND THE CONSTITUTION IN LINE OF SITUATION CHANGES & FOR MEMBERS TO DELIBERATE IN AN SPECIAL CONVEN EGM BEFORE THE NEXT AGM 2010
We wish to propose a motion for the above for members to vote and adopt in the coming AGM on 14th June 2009
The rational is the existing constitution need to review/refine /amend the constitution in line of situation changes. Example:
1.
Article 2:
Registred address to be amended.
2.
Article 5i) :
anti Buddhist : propose to read as in contrary to Buddha teaching.
3.
Article 5ii) :
unsound mind-to add ..shall be certified by recognize government medical doctor
4.
Article 8:
on Warning: No of times not clearly defined.
5.
Article 9:
The General meeting is the highest organ--?
6.
Article 10 :
The term of principal office bearers to be reviewed.
7.
Article 12 ii) :
-…asset-spelling error .Should be assist.
- …deputise the President during the lather’s absence-?
Propose consent from President is required
8.
Article 12 iv) :
..All cheques sign by any of two persons..(2 PERSONS ONLY...)
9.
Article 13iii) :
to convey EGM require one third of the members….
Isnt it too many ?
10.
Article 22 ii) :
The immovable property can be sold after consent given in AGM or EGM. Then Clause 17 ii) an AGM with members attending twice the number of committee will deem to have quorum.
Isn’t it too easy for Society to sell the asset ? The manners of meeting to be conducted eg notice of motion to be forwaded also not spelt out clearly.(see Chapters V)
With due respect, please do not mis-construe the proposal mean we have no confidence in the current committee. We just have need to make matter much clearly defined to prevent much complication in the years to come, as any de-registration of the Society, the asset shall go to the third party.
FAQ:
1.Why need to as the society is running well now
We are looking forward many years down the line.As society grow,
more members invoved and more different opinion.Change is in-evitable.
So far no heated contest for post,this does not mean in future this will not occur.
So we need all the ground rules clearly defined and establish.
2.Why rock the boat?
It is better rock the boat rather than complacement and let the boat sink one day.
3.Dont worrylah ,Buddhist society nothing wil happen.
Is it ? Unless it is served by enlighten being or all members are enlighten.
How many people have not heard of any scandal /in fighting in temple,church NGO etc please
raise your hand.
4.More questions...?
Why motion ?
Dear friends,
another news that we dont want to have but it come..we cannot live like the ostrich ...
everything will go on fine...this is one of the intention to have BUBS Constitution amendment...
otherwise one day many years down the line ,we may have this news :
.....Swindlers in religious society cashing in on people’s generosity....
The second following articles worth reading...What Is Your "Door 2"
.....Is it any wonder that monks lock themselves in monasteries, probably to avoid ever having to come face to face with their “Door 2”....
peace,
bl
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/6/4/central/4032145&sec=central
Thursday June 4, 2009
Swindlers in saffron robes cashing in on people’s generosity
Stories by TAN KARR WEI
BOGUS monks are roaming the streets of the Klang Valley, cashing in on the generosity of the people to make money.
These imposters can be seen going from table to table in restaurants in the commercial areas, and even approaching people at the public car parks.
According to Buddhist Chief High Priest of Malaysia, Venerable K. Sri Shammaratana, monks who begged for money are violating the Buddhist code of ethics. The alms bowl is strictly meant for food.
According to the owner of a coffee shop in Damansara Utama, who asked not to be identified, the imposters would make their rounds at the various eating places in the commercial area at various time.
“You won’t see them at a specific time. Sometimes they come at about 10am, sometimes they target the lunch crowd,” she said.
Charming: A man clad in a monk’s attire selling amulets to a tourist in Bukit Bintang.
There were also reports of such monks stationing themselves at the morning and night markets.
StarMetro also observed the movements of these spurious monks at the busy Bukit Bintang area on a Saturday afternoon.
A man wearing an ankle-length saffron robe with a cloth bag on one shoulder was seen taking a breather outside the Lot 10 shopping centre when a security guard motioned him to move away.
He then walked across Jalan Bukit Bintang and stopped at the junction just in front of the Pavilion Kuala Lumpur.
The man, in his mid-30s, targeted only foreign tourists and would not even bother to stop locals who walked past him.
He seemed to be holding a small amulet in one hand and trying to sell it to the foreigners.
After about 20 minutes, he then walked back to the area in front of Lot 10 to sit down for a short rest.
Two other men dressed in saffron robes and blown pants were also seen walking along Jalan Bukit Bintang and turned left onto Jalan Sultan Ismail, between Lot 10 and Sungei Wang.
They then turned into Jalan Bulan 2 and headed down a staircase meant for a basement parking floor.
After about five minutes, they emerged from the stairwell, dressed in casual clothing - both were wearing caps and T-shirts.
Making rounds: A man dressed in a blue robe with long beaded necklace asking for donations from table to table along the busy Jalan Alor.
One was still wearing the light brown pants while the other was in shorts but still wearing the shoes and socks that went with the monk outfit.
They were seen going into a supermarket to purchase some groceries.
According to Sungei Wang Plaza security manager Azahari Abdul Hamid, whose team has conducted investigations of their own, there are also women who dressed up as Buddhist nuns.
“We do not allow them into our mall to ask for donations,” he said.
Azahari believed that most of these people were foreigners who entered the country with tourist visas and had used various tricks in operating their racket.
“We have seen them in the Bukit Bintang area, trying to sell charms and amulets to the tourists, at RM5 a piece. When the tourists agree to buy it from them, the monk would bring out a book from his bag and the victims end up paying a higher price for the charm,” Azahari said.
He said that on one occasion, his security personnel confronted two fictitious monks inside the mall after receiving some complaints.
“We checked their bags and they had about RM1,000 inside. They also had valid passports as well,” he said.
Azahari said that besides buying groceries, his guards had also seen these counterfeit monks changing into casual clothes and heading into the mall to buy expensive items like mobile phones.
Damansara Utama police station deputy head Sjn Mejar Jipa Langob advised the public to contact the police if they felt that the monks were not genuine or if they were being harassed.
“We can then check to see if these people are locals or if they had the proper documents. They are not supposed to solicit money from people in public areas,” Jipa said
Saturday, June 28, 2008
What Is Your "Door 2"
A fellow blogger put up the following choice: open Door 1 and get RM1,000 or try Door 2 for RM5,000. The thing is Door 2 has only a 50% chance of RM5,000. Hence opening Door 2 can give one of two outcomes: zero or RM5,000. Which door would you take? Are you a risk taker or risk averse? Or do you make your decisions professionally and mathematically? If it’s the latter, chances are you are likely to choose Door 2 because 0.5 x RM5,000 = RM2,500 which is, of higher value than RM1,000. Let’s go further on this hypothesis. Now, let’s say Door 1 will get you RM500,000 for sure while Door 2 provides a 50% chance to pocket RM10mil. This is where it gets interesting. For many, RM500,000 can pay off your mortgage or send a couple of kids to a foreign university. Hence when faced with the same situation, the theoretically correct and risk-positive choice may not be taken by most. The Door 2 choice has a mathematical reward of 0.5 x RM10mil = RM5mil, but many will not choose that option. It boils down then to a person’s net worth and their tolerance of risk. If your net worth is RM1mil or less, Door 2 would not even be a choice. However, if you are worth RM50mil, you probably would take Door 2. Hence, where is our mathematical evaluation of risk and reward? The things we study at business schools and MBAs. The stuff you learn for CFA ? all out the window.This highlights where textbooks theory diverges from what happens in reality. We all make financial decisions based on things more than just pure mathematical models. We are not robots. Seemingly, if we look at each and every financial decision, it is based on more than just cold-blooded numbers. Is it any wonder then that the markets cannot be understood just via numbers and valuations alone. Things we cannot explain, we call them sentiment or momentum or over-sold or over-bought ? you get the drift. You extrapolate the choices further and you will find investors, who usually start off with a proper well-researched decision on what stock to buy. The same person will make an illogical decision to cut-loss, or take profit too early because there were other factors that will come into the picture for them. Sadly, these “usually irrational” factors tend to play a much bigger role in determining an investor’s final decision. It will cloud and distort. Models & Madness A failure to properly evaluate the risk and pricing of collateralised debt obligations and other structured debt products was one of the problems that brought turmoil to the securitisation market last year. Industry experts are now saying market participants shouldn’t rely exclusively on mathematical models but should also use the social sciences to understand behaviours — of home owners, for instance. It seems that risk management is no longer a science but an art form. Although bubble behaviour looks stupid in retrospect, many intelligent people get caught up in it.Did the models adequately take into account the cumulative human forces of optimism, gullibility, short-term focus, genuine belief in momentum, extrapolation of so-far-profitable speculations, group psychology, and increasing fraud? We need to allocate sophisticated numbers to these intangibles. Values & Ethics If we were to take this a step further, you can find risk-reward relationship in other more important areas. Intangibles such as a person’s values or ethics can even be measured. These supposedly absolutes are not really absolutes in reality. Take corruption or insider trading. Most will say they are against both. However, no one can say with absolute certainty until they have actually been posed with a real choice. Door 1 gives you zero value, and Door 2 is doing some corruption, or acting on some insider information and being rewarded with RM10,000. How well do your values stack up? What if Door 2 is now worth RM1mil? How about RM10mil? Almost everyone has a “Door 2”, what is your “Door 2” value? Some will be a function of their net worth, what is that “x” value? 3x, 5x, 10x ?? Trouble is some also hold bargain basement sales. That’s why when business, finance, politics mesh - values and ethics are, in most cases, fluid. Hence the comedic routine: “Ethics, I’m so poor I cannot afford to have ethics”. Regulating risk taking Hence most countries cannot rely on their people to behave in the appropriate manner all the time. That’s where regulation comes it. There must be punishment, rules and guidelines. For these rules and laws to be effective, there must be effective regulation and enforcement as well or else the rules and punishment will be as there were none at all. Sometimes a low corruption index does not mean the people are inherently “good”. It may just mean they have heavy-handed punitive measures and very effective regulatory processes. In the same vein, a high corruption index does not mean most of the citizens are evil. It may just mean lax regulation and enforcement. What is your “Door 2”? Does it have a value? Do you know that figure even? Which is why one shouldn’t be overzealous in proclaiming that they are righteous or have a high ethical standard - it may only mean you haven’t been offered a proper “Door 2” yet.
Is it any wonder that monks lock themselves in monasteries, probably to avoid ever having to come face to face with their “Door 2”.
Dear friends,
another news that we dont want to have but it come..we cannot live like the ostrich ...
everything will go on fine...this is one of the intention to have BUBS Constitution amendment...
otherwise one day many years down the line ,we may have this news :
.....Swindlers in religious society cashing in on people’s generosity....
The second following articles worth reading...What Is Your "Door 2"
.....Is it any wonder that monks lock themselves in monasteries, probably to avoid ever having to come face to face with their “Door 2”....
peace,
bl
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/6/4/central/4032145&sec=central
Thursday June 4, 2009
Swindlers in saffron robes cashing in on people’s generosity
Stories by TAN KARR WEI
BOGUS monks are roaming the streets of the Klang Valley, cashing in on the generosity of the people to make money.
These imposters can be seen going from table to table in restaurants in the commercial areas, and even approaching people at the public car parks.
According to Buddhist Chief High Priest of Malaysia, Venerable K. Sri Shammaratana, monks who begged for money are violating the Buddhist code of ethics. The alms bowl is strictly meant for food.
According to the owner of a coffee shop in Damansara Utama, who asked not to be identified, the imposters would make their rounds at the various eating places in the commercial area at various time.
“You won’t see them at a specific time. Sometimes they come at about 10am, sometimes they target the lunch crowd,” she said.
Charming: A man clad in a monk’s attire selling amulets to a tourist in Bukit Bintang.
There were also reports of such monks stationing themselves at the morning and night markets.
StarMetro also observed the movements of these spurious monks at the busy Bukit Bintang area on a Saturday afternoon.
A man wearing an ankle-length saffron robe with a cloth bag on one shoulder was seen taking a breather outside the Lot 10 shopping centre when a security guard motioned him to move away.
He then walked across Jalan Bukit Bintang and stopped at the junction just in front of the Pavilion Kuala Lumpur.
The man, in his mid-30s, targeted only foreign tourists and would not even bother to stop locals who walked past him.
He seemed to be holding a small amulet in one hand and trying to sell it to the foreigners.
After about 20 minutes, he then walked back to the area in front of Lot 10 to sit down for a short rest.
Two other men dressed in saffron robes and blown pants were also seen walking along Jalan Bukit Bintang and turned left onto Jalan Sultan Ismail, between Lot 10 and Sungei Wang.
They then turned into Jalan Bulan 2 and headed down a staircase meant for a basement parking floor.
After about five minutes, they emerged from the stairwell, dressed in casual clothing - both were wearing caps and T-shirts.
Making rounds: A man dressed in a blue robe with long beaded necklace asking for donations from table to table along the busy Jalan Alor.
One was still wearing the light brown pants while the other was in shorts but still wearing the shoes and socks that went with the monk outfit.
They were seen going into a supermarket to purchase some groceries.
According to Sungei Wang Plaza security manager Azahari Abdul Hamid, whose team has conducted investigations of their own, there are also women who dressed up as Buddhist nuns.
“We do not allow them into our mall to ask for donations,” he said.
Azahari believed that most of these people were foreigners who entered the country with tourist visas and had used various tricks in operating their racket.
“We have seen them in the Bukit Bintang area, trying to sell charms and amulets to the tourists, at RM5 a piece. When the tourists agree to buy it from them, the monk would bring out a book from his bag and the victims end up paying a higher price for the charm,” Azahari said.
He said that on one occasion, his security personnel confronted two fictitious monks inside the mall after receiving some complaints.
“We checked their bags and they had about RM1,000 inside. They also had valid passports as well,” he said.
Azahari said that besides buying groceries, his guards had also seen these counterfeit monks changing into casual clothes and heading into the mall to buy expensive items like mobile phones.
Damansara Utama police station deputy head Sjn Mejar Jipa Langob advised the public to contact the police if they felt that the monks were not genuine or if they were being harassed.
“We can then check to see if these people are locals or if they had the proper documents. They are not supposed to solicit money from people in public areas,” Jipa said
Saturday, June 28, 2008
What Is Your "Door 2"
A fellow blogger put up the following choice: open Door 1 and get RM1,000 or try Door 2 for RM5,000. The thing is Door 2 has only a 50% chance of RM5,000. Hence opening Door 2 can give one of two outcomes: zero or RM5,000. Which door would you take? Are you a risk taker or risk averse? Or do you make your decisions professionally and mathematically? If it’s the latter, chances are you are likely to choose Door 2 because 0.5 x RM5,000 = RM2,500 which is, of higher value than RM1,000. Let’s go further on this hypothesis. Now, let’s say Door 1 will get you RM500,000 for sure while Door 2 provides a 50% chance to pocket RM10mil. This is where it gets interesting. For many, RM500,000 can pay off your mortgage or send a couple of kids to a foreign university. Hence when faced with the same situation, the theoretically correct and risk-positive choice may not be taken by most. The Door 2 choice has a mathematical reward of 0.5 x RM10mil = RM5mil, but many will not choose that option. It boils down then to a person’s net worth and their tolerance of risk. If your net worth is RM1mil or less, Door 2 would not even be a choice. However, if you are worth RM50mil, you probably would take Door 2. Hence, where is our mathematical evaluation of risk and reward? The things we study at business schools and MBAs. The stuff you learn for CFA ? all out the window.This highlights where textbooks theory diverges from what happens in reality. We all make financial decisions based on things more than just pure mathematical models. We are not robots. Seemingly, if we look at each and every financial decision, it is based on more than just cold-blooded numbers. Is it any wonder then that the markets cannot be understood just via numbers and valuations alone. Things we cannot explain, we call them sentiment or momentum or over-sold or over-bought ? you get the drift. You extrapolate the choices further and you will find investors, who usually start off with a proper well-researched decision on what stock to buy. The same person will make an illogical decision to cut-loss, or take profit too early because there were other factors that will come into the picture for them. Sadly, these “usually irrational” factors tend to play a much bigger role in determining an investor’s final decision. It will cloud and distort. Models & Madness A failure to properly evaluate the risk and pricing of collateralised debt obligations and other structured debt products was one of the problems that brought turmoil to the securitisation market last year. Industry experts are now saying market participants shouldn’t rely exclusively on mathematical models but should also use the social sciences to understand behaviours — of home owners, for instance. It seems that risk management is no longer a science but an art form. Although bubble behaviour looks stupid in retrospect, many intelligent people get caught up in it.Did the models adequately take into account the cumulative human forces of optimism, gullibility, short-term focus, genuine belief in momentum, extrapolation of so-far-profitable speculations, group psychology, and increasing fraud? We need to allocate sophisticated numbers to these intangibles. Values & Ethics If we were to take this a step further, you can find risk-reward relationship in other more important areas. Intangibles such as a person’s values or ethics can even be measured. These supposedly absolutes are not really absolutes in reality. Take corruption or insider trading. Most will say they are against both. However, no one can say with absolute certainty until they have actually been posed with a real choice. Door 1 gives you zero value, and Door 2 is doing some corruption, or acting on some insider information and being rewarded with RM10,000. How well do your values stack up? What if Door 2 is now worth RM1mil? How about RM10mil? Almost everyone has a “Door 2”, what is your “Door 2” value? Some will be a function of their net worth, what is that “x” value? 3x, 5x, 10x ?? Trouble is some also hold bargain basement sales. That’s why when business, finance, politics mesh - values and ethics are, in most cases, fluid. Hence the comedic routine: “Ethics, I’m so poor I cannot afford to have ethics”. Regulating risk taking Hence most countries cannot rely on their people to behave in the appropriate manner all the time. That’s where regulation comes it. There must be punishment, rules and guidelines. For these rules and laws to be effective, there must be effective regulation and enforcement as well or else the rules and punishment will be as there were none at all. Sometimes a low corruption index does not mean the people are inherently “good”. It may just mean they have heavy-handed punitive measures and very effective regulatory processes. In the same vein, a high corruption index does not mean most of the citizens are evil. It may just mean lax regulation and enforcement. What is your “Door 2”? Does it have a value? Do you know that figure even? Which is why one shouldn’t be overzealous in proclaiming that they are righteous or have a high ethical standard - it may only mean you haven’t been offered a proper “Door 2” yet.
Is it any wonder that monks lock themselves in monasteries, probably to avoid ever having to come face to face with their “Door 2”.
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